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Protest Planned Over Proposed Devil's Gate Dig

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Area residents are planning a protest over the Los Angeles County Department of Public Work's plan to excavate a reported 120 acres from the Devil's Gate Dam.

Hands Across the Dam will take place Saturday, Dec. 14, at 11 a.m. THe protest will take place at the top of Devil's Gate Dam at the Hahamonga Water Shed. The event is said to last a short time, but would provide a "powerful message to the county," organizers said.

The LA County Department of Public Works' plan would utilize a convoy of dump trucks to remove millions of cubic yards of sediment that resulted from flooding after the Station Fire. The project would last for five years according to a draft environmental report, officials said.

Organizers said that trees and plants would be destroyed, animals would be killed and trails would be destroyed, rendering the park unusable.

Everyone is invited to the protest.

For more information, call Christle Balvin at (626) 449-8815, or email at gobalvin@gmail.com.
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 11, 2013 at 02:06 AM
What is the reason for the excavation?
Bob Musselman December 11, 2013 at 03:41 PM
Immediately followed by a protest of those who think the County's plan is insufficient to protect the Arroyo Seco, and that a larger-scale debris removal option should be implemented.
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 11, 2013 at 11:07 PM
AARON....ARE YOU HOME? What is the reason for the excavation?
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM
I don't believe aaron is about to answer my basic question. It might lead to knowledge. If Aaron, or anyone can tell me how my following might be wrong please let me know. First here is all the information: So, apparently sediment builds up. After the largest fir in LA county history, tons more sediment from the burnt hills has accumulated. The landscape and dam area does not have the capacity it should top protect the neighborhoods below. Other issues about sediment clogging pipes, and water conservation is also raised for the proposal to remove sediment. What we have here is a quickly changed area that endangers the areas below. 1) The current situation is the change that already happened with the rising sediment. 2) Do you think that they should just let it go to natural status and the people, animals, trees, and everything below be damned? 3) Do you think that letting the sediment area alone, (which keep in mind just recently accumulated massive sediment), should take a superior position to anything else in a floods path that has been around for decades or longer? Just how is it thought that allowing floods would help more than hurt? Should we perhaps blow-up all dams across the country? How can your idea of not bringing the dam up to par with the potential flooding more helpful to ANYTHING... Anything. Wouldn't you get more death and destruction by periodic flooding? -----
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM
oh! "Here is all the information" here...below is all the info. My post above is being inquisitive in a poky sorta way. --- http://dpw.lacounty.gov/wrd/Projects/DevilGate/DEIR/Devils_Gate_DEIR_2013_10_23_Executive_Summary.pdf ----------- --http://dpw.lacounty.gov/wrd/Projects/DevilGate/DEIR/Devils_Gate_DEIR_2013_10_23_Section_2.pdf
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Aaron, the protest you posted in at least three patch's. The story of the excavation, and enviremental report I don't see anywhere. Unless I am missin something, the obvious purpose of yours looks like an extreme activist, not a reporter. Your absence to your article speaks loudly as well. I must assume you are an activist dressed in reporter clothes
kerjon.lee December 14, 2013 at 01:32 PM
The County of Los Angeles Department of Public Works, at the direction of the Board of Supervisors, has engaged the public in identifying a method of reducing flood risk for communities downstream of Devil’s Gate Dam in a way that is economically viable, socially acceptable, and environmentally sound. As a result of millions of tons of sediment being washed into County flood protection facilities after the Station Fire, LA County Public Works formed a community task force, an executive-level working group of environmental and municipal stakeholders, and held more than a dozen public meetings on the issue of sediment removal and management. Our process of community engagement has led us to a number of sediment management alternatives for Devil’s Gate Dam that preserve a substantial amount of the existing habitat and identify additional areas for restoration within the reservoir, allow for increased use of stormwater as a source of local drinking water, and provide a sustainable reservoir maintenance program for the future. Community engagement is essential to addressing the tremendous challenge of managing the sediment within our flood protection facilities. We are committed to a healthy public dialogue to lead us to viable solutions. 
GAIL FARBER DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS More information on LA County Public Works’ Environmentally Superior Alternative for sediment removal and management at Devil's Gate Dam is available at: http://dpw.lacounty.gov/wrd/Projects/DevilGate/display.cfm?Project=Alt_3_Description
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 14, 2013 at 08:54 PM
"Our process of community engagement has led us to a number of sediment management alternatives for Devil’s Gate Dam that preserve a substantial amount of the existing habitat and identify additional areas for restoration within the reservoir," You must be reading a different DEIR. I don't see a preservation in any of these alternatives... maybe in some fantasy world where habitat miraculously comes back in a barren heat sink... a Mars rover landscape. How is it even possible to take out more sediment, as Mr. Musselman, suggests in his comment above. 4,000,000 CY is more sediment than was in the riverbed PRE-DAM. I think it's the max. It is also completely unnecessary. Is Los Angeles County Public Works just plan this stuff to support the trucking industry? $65 million for trucks. And, too bad they can't be low emission trucks... becuase LACDPW says those aren't available for this big effing DIG. Horrific.
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 14, 2013 at 09:10 PM
Hey,.....Patrizzi Intergalactica, Can you ever accept that humans are capable of being beneficial to the environment, if they are not tree huggers? Lets do this. You decide how much, or little, to nothing should be done....then the next time it rains 55 inches of rain as in the 2004-2005 rains, you pitch a tent directly in the path of overflow of water. The destruction would be 10,000 times greater than this proposed clearing.
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 15, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Look at the inundation maps. There are a few places that are vulnerable to flood in an unusual 55 inches (OMG!) ... for $65M those places could be either purchased or reinforced.
marnie gaede December 15, 2013 at 12:29 AM
The County is employing scare tactics to create fear of massive flooding. The odds of a 50 year flood (times two) are fractional, while the odds of diesel pollution, noise, traffic and habitat destruction are 100%. As a mother and a grandmother, I wouldn't want my kids attending school anywhere near the proposed project. A slower project would eliminate most of the risk and accomplish what is needed behind Devil's Gate.
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 15, 2013 at 01:43 AM
Patrizzi Intergalactica: "Look at the inundation maps. There are a few places that are vulnerable to flood in an unusual 55 inches (OMG!) ... for $65M those places could be either purchased or reinforced." Perhaps I don't understand the project, but the project is one specific area, right? You say, "few places that are vulnerable",....but I think we are talking about one specific place.
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 15, 2013 at 01:50 AM
To marnie gaede state: "The County is employing scare tactics to create fear of massive flooding. The odds of a 50 year flood (times two) are fractional" , What?....even if we are talking about a hypothetical "fifty year flood", Your just fine having the massive damage of a flood because it is not very often? Really? Is that how you would manage things? It is not "The County is employing scare tactics" I brought up the Rain in 2004-2005. I remember the floods that took out the restaurant and put Newyork drive under water in 1967. Many other times, I don't keep in my memory bank. You mentioned "Purchase" O.K. who does the purchase? "They"? We are they
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 15, 2013 at 01:51 AM
my Rock, fortification I meant is down stream in the or along the channelized river. It is related to a real alternative to the alternatives currently proposed for the specific project.
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 15, 2013 at 01:53 AM
The only objections I see are based on let it flood because of some plants and stuff in the small area. But the alternative is to allow major damage and death to 1,000 times more of nature when it floods. Where is the logic?
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 15, 2013 at 02:04 AM
Patrizzi....I understand what you are saying. I looked at google earth, and of all the areas around. I have to say that the area below the dam is the most open, and perhaps has more opportunity to do something like that. I have no idea how much rain/drainage/dam/ ratio is etc. It looks like their is a channel there now that goes to perhaps the L.A. river. But on more thought, If it is raining very hard, I imagine that channel is already getting a whole boat load of water already. Sorry to be so forward in my expression. I admit I don't really know enough to be sure about anything here, and am willing, and ready to learn. I get a little excited if people oppose just because it feels good. I'll try to back off a bit
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 15, 2013 at 02:09 AM
That doesn't sound logical, at all if think of it that way. It's not simple, this problem. The LACDPW & Flood Control receives a nice chunk of change they can count on from all of our prperty tax bills. Look at that and do the math. The Dept. has been and is being given $$$ ...There is no good reason to be lazy and just had the money over to trucking companies. Everytime you remember a flood, remember the failure. In Europe, they solve seasonal river flooding by the use of levee systems. In Los Angeles, we build dams, big and small, pour cement, bury rivers...only because it makes us feel safe psychologically but really it's not a well thought out solution. It is or was a temporary fix to the real estate boom of the past. No one ever looks or questions what or how LACPW &FC spend our money or why they choose to do things over and over in the same way they've always done. Where's the progress? Where's the logic?
Mary Barrie December 15, 2013 at 09:56 AM
According to the County's own Sediment Management Strategic Plan 2012 - 2032 there is currently enough capacity behind Devils Gate to handle two DDEs or 20 fifty year flood events occurring within a short period of time. The last time there was 3.9 million cubic yards of sediment in the basin, the County took out 750,000 cubic yards - ONE QUARTER of what is proposed now. Take a look at the tables in the Strategic Plan - it's easy to find online and the tables tell the story. Something else that's not widely known is that the County's initial plan (NOT the Interim Plan) was to scrape only 50 acres bare and keep only 15 acres permanently cleared. What the heck happened that we are now looking at a plan that could keep up to 120 acres permanently bare!
Mary Barrie December 15, 2013 at 09:57 AM
Oops that should be 2 DDEs not 20 in the above post!
Fortified- AKA Carlos Danger December 15, 2013 at 07:22 PM
hmmmm. the plot thickens...

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