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Poll: What do You Think of a 2nd Walmart in Altadena?

The Pasadena Star-News reported Friday that the retail giant has interest in a second location in Altadena. We want to know your thoughts about that possibility.

The Pasadena Star-News reported Friday that Wal-Mart is discussing opening a second Wal-Mart location on Lake Avenue, in the vacant property adjacent to Ralphs.

Wal-Mart representativees told Patch they do have interest in the property. Wal-Mart spokesman Steven Restivo had the following statement on the Lake Avenue location:

"While we don’t have any new sites to announce in Altadena, we’re always evaluating new opportunities all across Southern California to be closer to our customers.

In a follow-up email Restivo said that the Lake Avenue property is a "site we were looking at in an effort to be closer to our customers and part of the solution when it comes to things like more affordable groceries."

With Wal-Mart's confirmed interest in the property we want to know what you think.  For those unhappy about the first location on Lincoln which is already set to open, should both locations be opposed?  Are there any readers who feel one Wal-Mart is OK, but two is too many?  Does Wal-Mart's interest in the second location change anyone's feelings about the original location?

Please take our poll below and feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section.

SteveB July 13, 2012 at 01:19 AM
Yes, there is an unquantifiable risk that a Walmart grocery could lead to the demise of Baja Ranch, Superking, or Ralphs. But it is a certainty that the shiny new Walmart grocery on Lincoln will be an improvement over what was there before. And it is a certainty that a shiny new Walmart on Lake and Calaveras will be an improvement over the current empty lot. Look at that corner on google maps - the crater is filled with water - nice mosquito breeding ground. Lovely.
Steve Lamb July 13, 2012 at 01:22 AM
AR- LOL You are of course KIDDING. I live literally a stones throw from the proposed Walmart location on Lincoln, Altadena, even West Altadena has one of the LOWEST crime rates in Southern California. Just because two black guys are chatting on the sidewalk doesnt mean there is a crime wave. Sheesh!
Steve Lamb July 13, 2012 at 01:27 AM
SteveB- well there is a mosquito abatement District serving Altadena and if there really are mosquito's on that lot you should call- they will take care of that. And Its 100% on Ralphs that if walmart goes in next door they will walk. Thats not a question. Its 100 % Baja Ranch will go, and I think far sooner than three years, more like 18 months. Superking because they are very stubborn will limp along longer. But they like profit, and will have too much erosion. Did you spoend a decade studying this industry? I did and I regularly socialize with several people in it every third Monday for dinner........
Sequoya July 13, 2012 at 01:37 AM
Why anyone would choose to give what little money they do have to 5 of the richest people in the nation (the Walton family) who has the worst history of giving back to ANYONE is beyond me. Lisa, you've made it clear that you are struggling financially, why would you give your money to people who got ridiculously rich by exploiting people in need like you? You are part of the cycle that has brought this economy to it's knees. You are part of the problem. You justify shopping there because you feel like you have to in order to save money but what you're really doing is creating more demand for poor working conditions and cheap merchandise pipelined here from China through Walmart (80% of it's products are made in factories in China). Have you even bothered to watch the documentary that was done back in 2005 where they show you the factories and the working conditions there? Apple is another company who makes their products in slave conditions, which brings me to my next point - it's about being educated, bottom line, on where you spend your money. If you feel okay about backing a company who owns factories that you would never EVER want your kids working in, then right on, but don't question those of us who know better and want better in order to put a stop to this corporate insanity. Some of us are trying to change things.
Altadena Resident July 13, 2012 at 01:45 AM
We must not be reading the same Altadena Patch. Did they ever find who set that body on fire a couple ago? It's more than just the crime. The people/kids that loiter around there are constantly using vulgar language and make people with kids like myself uncomfortable shopping there. It's also dirty.
Sequoya July 13, 2012 at 01:47 AM
And another thing: The cash mob that's being organized is a good thing and a step in the right direction, I support it 100% regardless of which business gets mobbed "first" - who cares who is first? What is this, the school yard? I applaud the effort and look forward to the next mob!
Nico July 13, 2012 at 02:03 AM
Would a different market, like Trader Joe's have the same effect? Can Altadena sustain another market of any kind in your opinion?
Parisa Tajdoulatshahi July 13, 2012 at 02:08 AM
Lisa, no one is telling you that you can't have an opinion. However, it's quite another when you decide to make presumptuous statements regarding someone else's financial situation. That does not involve you, nor do you have any idea of what you're talking about. Or whether one business is more deserving of another. C'mon, now. I'd bet if someone spoke about your family that way, you'd tell them to shut their face. So just have a little bit more respect for people who are just trying to do amazing things for their communities, alright? Capisci, amico mio?
SteveB July 13, 2012 at 02:11 AM
Death and taxes are 100% certain. Very little else qualifies. I'd take you a little more seriously if you said anything other than 100%. So you studied the industry for 10 years ... but were you a good student?
SteveB July 13, 2012 at 02:18 AM
Where did you find that American made computer/phone/tablet you are typing on? Odds are it was made in China, in exactly the same conditions or worse than Apple products.
khadija July 13, 2012 at 03:41 AM
Altadena resident= CRIME? My kids and I go to Panda Express there often and sometimes Super King. What crime?
khadija July 13, 2012 at 03:44 AM
AR, I just read your "it's dirty" comment. Seriously? You really couldn't ever have been there. "Vulger language"? Ever watch tv?
Steve Lamb July 13, 2012 at 04:10 AM
Blackmail is much much too polite a word for it.
Steve Lamb July 13, 2012 at 04:12 AM
And Wayne's Don't forget Wayne's
Steve Lamb July 13, 2012 at 04:16 AM
AR- Funny Thing...Peoples bodies get burned or dumped in Beverly Hills, Malibu, San Marino, Southwest or East Pasadena, Arcadia, Irvine, and no one says "Oh my GOSH its SOOOOOO Unsafe There!" LOL. They just keep spending loads of money there and ignoring the crime.
Altadena Resident July 13, 2012 at 04:45 AM
@khadija and Steve Lamb June of 2011 The shooting took place around 8:30 p.m. near the intersection of Lincoln and Figueroa, according to Lt. Angelea Shephard of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Altadena Station. May 12th Sheriffs deputies are asking for the public's help in the the search for suspect with a handgun who attempted to rob the ARCO station at 1633 N. Altadena Drive. The suspect left the location in an unknown direction." May 19th A residential burglary occurred in the 3200 block of Lincoln Avenue. May 25th A shoplifting incident occurred at Super King Market, 2260 N. Lincoln Ave. A petty theft occurred at 24Hr. Fitness, 2180 N. Lincoln Ave. Suspect(s) entered the men’s locker room and broke the padlock of a secured locker. Loss: brown bi-fold wallet containing US currency and personal documents. May 26th A vehicle burglary occurred in the 2200 block of Altadena Drive. A vehicle burglary occurred in the 500 block of W. Figueroa Drive. I can copy and paste all night. Vulgar language has no business in a civilized society. It's trash, people who use it are trash and I don't want my 5 year old to hear. And just because it's on tv doesn't make it acceptable, especially in what is supposed to be a family environment like in a supermarket. To hear pre-teen, teenagers and young adults use the F word without any concern for who is around them is vile.
Altadena Resident July 13, 2012 at 04:49 AM
Yeah, no big deal Steve. Happens all the time. Pretty soon we'll just be stepping over them on our way to work, and use them to light a cigarette.
Sequoya July 13, 2012 at 05:08 AM
SteveB: So, how does it feel to be the token peanut gallery here? What exactly have you brought to the discussion? We're all hypocrites to a certain extent, I'm assuming you're an adult and I shouldn't have to point that out. Of course my laptop was made in China (which I got second-hand) so are many things (inevitably) in my house, but don't doubt for one minute that if we made them here that I would buy one. You seem to be missing a point that's been echoed over and over again on here in the past few weeks, and that is this: there is a REASON we don't make anything here anymore and you can either be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. It seems you just want to piss everyone off with snarky comments rather than actually add anything to the real discussion. I don't even know why I bother engaging or coming on to this site anymore as you and many others mostly just piss me off with your distracting commentary.
Revvell July 13, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Too funny yet, it's o.k. with me. That's one less car in the parking lot. I go there quite often and have never seen any crime or loitering at Super King. Many of the crimes listed are for the north end and, that's only a few. Have you seen how many burglaries/crime are happening on the east side? Yet, as I said, please, stay away. More room for me!!!!
Altadena Resident July 13, 2012 at 02:24 PM
You got it steve. Enjoy the parking. I have noticed the burglaries in my area. I was one of them 5 years ago.
terry Morris July 13, 2012 at 02:30 PM
Again, I think it is really important to keep the tone respectful here. Let's try not to make things personal, or belittle each other, it does not serve the broader issue. Everyone is here because they care about this community, and that is common ground we can build on. I may vehemently disagree with the views of some, but I promise to do everything I can to treat them with respect.
Michael Brand July 13, 2012 at 03:15 PM
>who cares who is first? What >is this, the school yard? I see I touched a nerve with you asking why Websters is the first to be cash mobbed. Very telling that you thought insinuating I was a child in the school yard was going to help you make your point defending Websters profiting first. Why are you against helping a minority owned business first?
Autumn July 13, 2012 at 05:14 PM
In a perfect world, everyone would be 100% informed and educated and very choice we make would be thoughtful and responsible. In reality, life throws up a lot of roadblocks and we ALL do the best we can. Which means, we pick our battles, everyday. There are about 100 (maybe more) Altadenans, myself included, who have chosen to fight Walmart this time. We are choosing our battle. It does not mean that I am perfect or 100% socially responsible. It doesn't mean that I am better than anyone else who has chosen a different battle. This is just what, I, today , have chosen to stand up for. I know that Lisa M, Steve B and others do not choose to join us in this battle and I wish them luck with the causes that they will choose to undertake. It is a beautiful way that society works, that when enough people stand together on an issue, the tides will turn. Maybe we will change some things for the better, maybe we will fail but I think everyone should be commended for being willing to stand up and try to make a difference.
Revvell July 13, 2012 at 05:53 PM
Why "battle" in the first place? If you don't want to shop at Walmart.... no battle needed. Just don't shop there. Being vegetarian, I don't shop at butcher shops... no "battle" needed. Battle brings stress. Life it to short. If I don't agree with some place, it's practices, what it provides... I don't go there and, I go where I'm happy. No fighting, no "battle"... no stress.... life is easy if you choose it to be.
SteveB July 13, 2012 at 06:20 PM
"Apple is another company who makes their products in slave conditions". Inaccurate, irrelevant, FUD. "80% of it's products are made in factories in China". Perhaps accurate once, not accurate now, certainly irrelevant - we are discussing a grocery store, here, not a SuperCenter. "there is a REASON we don't make anything here anymore and you can either be a part of the problem or a part of the solution." What is the problem? Is Walmart really the problem? I would argue Walmart is not the cause, it is the product of our global economy, and one of the most efficient at benefitting from economies of scale and less expensive labor abroad. You may not remember, but at one time Walmart had the slogan "Buy American". Times changed. And they have continued to change - in 2011, Walmart reported that 54% of their sales come from groceries and household goods such as detergent and paper towels, and "A vast majority of [Wal-Mart's] groceries, household goods and health and beauty products are made in the United States" (Craig Johnson, independent consulting firm Customer Growth Partners). Fun fact: there is one American company that assembles televisions in the US, Element Electronics. You can get their televisions at ... Walmart. With the site-to-store, you can pick up the only American TV at your local Walmart on Lincoln in 2013.
Autumn July 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM
The issue is not that we don't wish to shop there. You are correct...that one is very simply solved. The issue is not wishing to face Walmart's concomitant side effects in our own small community. So we choose to do battle sometimes, you do not. Lovely. Each of us has our own way.
Lisa Maiorana July 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Good luck w/that
Revvell July 14, 2012 at 01:24 AM
You've got no choice. They're coming. It's a given soooo, battle away if that's your choosing. Sort of like Don Quiote (sp) battling windmills.... or something.
olderthansharks July 14, 2012 at 05:22 AM
amen
SteveB July 19, 2012 at 08:40 PM
SteveL, I missed your comment about the UCI study. The U of C study I referred to was by Pope and Pope, from May 2012. Are you sure your UCI study was referring to this study? Can you provide the names of the authors and the date of publication?

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