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Walmart's New Grocery Store in Orange County (Photos)

Last week Walmart opened it's first California neighborhood market in Huntington Beach, the same type of market that is planned for Altadena. Check out what the store looks like.

Retail giant Wal-Mart became the latest major retailer to test the concept of smaller, neighborhood-oriented markets in California, opening its first neighborhood market in the state in Orange County last week, a store which will have a similar design to the .

The company already has plans to open several more locations in Southern California, including the Altadena location, one in Chinatown, one in Panorama City and a second Orange County location at Rancho Santa Margarita.

The Huntington Beach Neighborhood Market is essentially a grocery store with a pharmacy and is roughly 31,000 square-feet, standard for the Neighborhood Market concept and roughly one-fifth the size of a Walmart Super Center.  The Altadena location, which will be located at 2408 N. Lincoln Avenue, is planned to be about 28,000 square feet.

Walmart representatives have said the Altadena location will be very similar to the Huntington Beach store.

The neighborhood market concept first began in the Midwest in 1998, and there are roughly 200 stores nationwide. However, this is the concept’s first foray into California.

As the latest local competitor, Walmart’s Neighborhood Market adds pressure to traditional grocery stores that have already suffered under incursion from of  Fresh & Easy Neighborhood Market and Target. Earlier this year, throughout the region.

Lisa Maiorana August 07, 2012 at 04:25 AM
Ok Terry, so let me get this straight. My comments about the Latino and African American community are OFFENSIVE because I want to make sure everyone, regardless of income, nationality and/or race has an affordable place to purchase items for their home and healthy groceries for them selves and or children? Somehow I do not think that's offensive and if it is I'd like to know how.
navigio August 07, 2012 at 04:46 AM
Hi Terry. Right. But to be clear, I wasnt trying to make the moral determination rather pointing out that those decisions can absolutely be part of the equation. At one point we decided we don't like monopolies so we made them illegal. Those businesses weren't necessarily breaking the law before that but because there was a determination that they were detrimental, we changed the law. Our governments levee tariffs or subsidies all the time in an attempt to manipulate the flow of goods (or services) such that it does not damage the economy or 'local' business. There are all sorts of 'artificial' forces we impose to counter the impact of raw consumer demand. Not everyone agrees with all of those all the time but they exist for a reason.
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 04:56 AM
Here: "terry Morris 7:53 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012 I don't know the answer to that Steve. It predates me. My guess is that they don't have the same kinds of policies that offend so many about Walmart. Personally I think it sends an inconsistent message to support one giant corporation (Trader Joe's for example) coming in and wiping out small business, but wanting to keep out a giant corporation you don't like. I think it dilutes the validity of the position and opens giant holes that people with views such as yours ;) can drive a truck through. I like consistency. I think you and I see eye to eye on that point. But the reason I started Altadena Cash Mobs was to help local small businesses like Poncitlan market stay afloat."
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 04:58 AM
She said it here: "terry Morris 7:53 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012 I don't know the answer to that Steve. It predates me. My guess is that they don't have the same kinds of policies that offend so many about Walmart. Personally I think it sends an inconsistent message to support one giant corporation (Trader Joe's for example) coming in and wiping out small business, but wanting to keep out a giant corporation you don't like. I think it dilutes the validity of the position and opens giant holes that people with views such as yours ;) can drive a truck through. I like consistency. I think you and I see eye to eye on that point. But the reason I started Altadena Cash Mobs was to help local small businesses like Poncitlan market stay afloat."
terry Morris August 07, 2012 at 05:16 AM
Lisa Hastings- I saw my post that you quoted. I am guessing that shows that I think certain stores should not be allowed in Altadena??? Not sure I see the connection...I am describing the positions that others take, not myself.
terry Morris August 07, 2012 at 05:26 AM
Oh, I agree completely. We as a society make laws all the time about what we deem acceptable. And those laws change all the time. We have many, many legal approaches in this country to influence and manipulate economic forces. They are often quite subjective. That was my point about strip clubs, obviously. They might be an entirely legal entity, until enough members of a particular community decry their presence and they are declared "illegal". it is all subjective.
Revvell August 07, 2012 at 03:51 PM
"If a strip club were trying to open in Altadena, or an adult bookstore, would this community protest?" Geez, I hope not. I was eying Blockbuster for one since they already have their windows boarded up. O.k., if you don't like that, how about a dungeon? That o.k?
rebel mamma August 07, 2012 at 04:01 PM
Terry, I was equally appalled at Lisa's statement. Lisa, in cae you don't understand, your comment was "...the Latino or African American communities...where they can actually afford the same QUALITY merchandise and food as us White folk." That CLEARLY says that "they" "can not afford" "the same quality merchandise as us White folk" assumes that the majority here is white. Every part of the statement is clearly racist thinking. Being racist doesn't necessarily mean that you do not like Latino or African Americans, but that you consider them "unable to afford" = POOR, not the norm = "like us white folks". That is as much a part of racism as disliking people because of their ethnicity or race.
Lisa Maiorana August 07, 2012 at 04:58 PM
Rebel Mamma, now I'm a racist, wow I just love you people, you truly are amazing. You're able to twist and turn any statement a person has that you do not like or that you do not agree with in order to live out this fantasy. I am not nor have I ever been a racist. I do not nor will I ever have to prove that to you or anybody else on here and the fact that you even said that to me is cause for slander. How dare you even infer that I was. Let's compare the things we say and the things we've said in our pasts and see who's REALLY a racist. If you or anyone else on here calls me that word ever again for actually sticking up for the African American and Latino community you will sound ridiculous. I never once said or mentioned that they could not afford it, but if they can't (God forbid) we would all have a place to shop. Not everyone can afford to shop at the trendy Mom and Pop shops in town where things are double the price. Let he without the sin cast the first stone. Do you want me to check your background and make sure you've never said or done anything that was racist. I would never call anyone that, ever. So sad that you would have to resort to that, so very sad.
Ivan G August 07, 2012 at 05:32 PM
No. I am saying that they should stop at adopting reasonable zoning laws, rather than try to keep businesses out based on their political and product prferences.
Ivan G August 07, 2012 at 05:36 PM
Whether you want to recognize reality or not, there statistics are quite clear that African-Americans and Latinos earn less, on average, than whites and Asian-Americans. The neighborhood surrounding the proposed Walmart supermarket is populated predominantly by members of those minorities. So nixing Walmart will disadvantage those minority members -- who can least afford high prices -- the most.
Lisa Maiorana August 07, 2012 at 05:38 PM
Thank you Ivan, exactly what I was trying to say. I do not understand why it is so hard for people to take their rose colored sunglasses off to see this.
Ivan G August 07, 2012 at 05:41 PM
"Racist" is merely an all-purpose pejorative term. If you dsiagree with the liberal orthodoxy, you are a racist.
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 05:47 PM
The No Walmart crowd here on Patch has pulled the race card. How low can we go? LOL and only in Altadena!
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 05:51 PM
Ivan G, I am a progressive liberal yet in no way would I compliment some of the nuts on this blog by referring to them as liberal.
rebel mamma August 07, 2012 at 05:52 PM
Lisa H, I "pulled the race card" on you recently for your racist comments telling me that "you know gang members when you see them walking down the street". I was wondering when you would chime in. The statements made by the other Lisa were racially bigoted remarks. Ivan G. thinks they aren't either, and neither were his remarks about Super King regarding "ethnic foods", and his remarks that the businesses on Lincoln (most of them are owned by non-whites) are "shabby" and "dirty". I am a Muslim and my daughters are racially mixed. I will NEVER let racist comments go by me unchecked.
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 05:53 PM
Convenient.
Ivan G August 07, 2012 at 06:06 PM
Lisa Hastings: Logically, the assertion that Group A uses a term as an all-purpose pejorative does not imply that some others do not do so as well. I did not say that liberals are the only ones who use the term pejoratively.
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 06:08 PM
rebel mamma, your bigotry and ignorance is shameful.
Ivan G August 07, 2012 at 06:13 PM
Do you deny that the small businesses along Lincoln are shabby-looking? What makes it racist to tell the truth? Is it racist to say that African Americans on average are poorer than whites? It is clearly the truth. What makes something racist?
navigio August 07, 2012 at 06:33 PM
I hesitate to get involved in this aspect of the discussion, but since you are being so reasonable, let me try.. ;-) Most broadly speaking, racist implies nothing more than recognizing race as a distinguishing characteristic. Period. Obviously that is an extremely broad and, on its face (!), not necessarily a malignant one. But it is worth recognizing the history of our racial classifications, which, not unlike most everything else, are actually pretty shockingly culturally-specific. Its often not possible to see the impact of such arbitrary classifications when trying to view it from one's own cultural worldview (which for most people almost entirely defines their reality). FWIW, federal and state classifications are starting to move away from racial classifications and more toward 'ethnicity', which may or may not have correlation with our historical race classifications. At minimum they are less arbitrary. Anyway, let the flames begin! :-) Oh, and I love you all, lest anyone is thinking about doing any hating. :-)
Ivan G August 07, 2012 at 06:41 PM
Suppose we just say that the population in the vicinity of Lincoln and Figueroa, for whatever reason, is relatively poor, and so would benefit more from having a Walmart Neighborhood Market nearby. Is that racist? I also disagree with navigio's broad definition of "racist." It is not used in common parlance. "Racism" is "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" or "racial prejudice or discrimination."
rebel mamma August 07, 2012 at 06:47 PM
Well Lisa, your comments to me recently about "you know them when you see them" regarding people in gangs was racist. So, no matter what your family make up is you have something going on with that. I lived in Highland Park for several years and i could only tell the difference between the (hispanic there - the Aves) gang members and other local residents when they were flashing gang signs which I knew how to recognize. The ABC gang here in Altadena is an African American gang and I can't say I have ever been able to "see one", so that is my point. If you start saying some people "look like" gang members or certain ethnicities "are" such-and-such that is racism, as navigio pointed out.
rebel mamma August 07, 2012 at 06:49 PM
Also, I can't be a "witch hunter" because I am not Christian.
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 06:55 PM
Yawn. New lows here on Patch.
terry Morris August 07, 2012 at 06:57 PM
LOL Revvell !! So that is a yes to Walmart, and a yes to Strip Clubs!!! Let the Free Market decide! ;) Thanks for lightening the mood!
Lisa Hastings August 07, 2012 at 07:02 PM
Unbelievable. What a nut.
Gary Edwards August 07, 2012 at 07:04 PM
geez ppl. stay on original topic. not what the topic's become. come on patch editor, more is gained w/ comments on the walmart situation vs. slamming each other.
rebel mamma August 07, 2012 at 07:06 PM
So, I'm a nut? Thanks Lisa, that hurts me soooo much. That was supposed to be a bit of humor. As far as answering Ivan's questions I already did in a previous post addressed to the other Lisa.
Dan Abendschein (Editor) August 07, 2012 at 07:07 PM
I agree the thread has veered far enough off topic and the comments are starting to get a little personal so I am going to go ahead and close this thread off.

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