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Updated: Mystery Changes Made to Hahamongna Watershed Park Trail

New trail fencing and signage have appeared on a trail in Hahamongna Watershed Park but the City of Pasadena is unaware of who is responsible for the changes and whether or not they comply with the City’s Master Plan.

Update:

The City of Pasadena shared the following:

We have received numerous questions/requests about the work at this location.  City staff is in the process of making contact with those involved and gathering information.  A full report will be presented at the next Hahamongna Watershed Park Advisory Committee meeting on January 22nd

Update:

In response to recent changes made to a trail at Hahamongna Watershed Park, a Pasadena Parks official told Patch Thursday that the City of Pasadena did not make the changes and is trying to find out who made them.

“We too were in the dark on this one,” said Charles Peretz, Administrator for Pasadena’s Parks and Natural Resources Division.

While some hikers are happy with the changes that include new signage and fencing, Peretz told Patch that the trail improvements did not go through the City’s public review process and need to be reviewed with City staff to see how they fit or do not fit with Pasadena’s Master Plan.

"Our goal is to be consistent with those documents," said Peretz. "We have a constituency who is very interested in those documents and adherence with those."

Some of the work that was done to the trail broke a water irrigation line, Peretz confirmed, so a crew supervisor was called out to the area this past week.

Peretz is trying to gather more information this week and has so far contacted a representative from the City of La Cañada, who said they didn't make the changes, and he is waiting for a response from Los Angeles County.

Since locals who are passionate about the Hahamongna Watershed could be curious or angered about unannounced changes to the trail, the City of Pasadena sent an email (seen below) to the Hahamongna Watershed Park Advisory Committee and interested constituents on Tuesday to let them know that the City was unaware of the changes and did not make them.

“We want to be careful and respectful of the community,” said Peretz.

Note: The email below said the changes appeared on the eastside of the park but Peretz said it is the westside.

This Messages is being sent to the Hahamongna Watershed Park Advisory Committee and to members of the public who have asked to be notified of new information in Hahamongna Watershed Park.

Below you will find several photographs that depict some trail work completed over the weekend in Hahamongna Watershed Park on City of Pasadena property.  Please know that this work was not authorized nor undertaken by the City.  The park foreman was called in over the weekend because of an emergency water brake that occurred in the park as a result of this work and the completed trail work was discovered at that time.  The work that was completed includes signage, trail railing and additional stones along a trail on the eastside of the park, just north of the park entrance where the equestrian tunnel leads from the park, under Oak Grove Drive and over to La Canada.  City staff is looking into this matter and will be in communication with the agency that undertook this effort.  

Earlier:

A member of the Altadena Crest Trail Restoration Working Group, which aims to improve conditions in the Altadena Crest Trail area, shared the following with Patch Thursday about recent mysterious trail changes made at Hahamongna Watershed Park:

The Altadena Crest Trail Restoration Working Group (ACTRWG) wishes to thank the unknown agency or individuals responsible for the beautiful trail improvements in Hahamongna Watershed Park (HWP). The new trail fencing enhances the connectivity of the Altadena Crest Trail (as well as the USFS Gabrielino Trail into Angeles Forest) to the La Canada Flintridge trail system in HWP near the equestrian tunnel under Oak Grove Drive. See accompanying photos.

The City of Pasadena was not responsible for the trail improvements and does not seem to be pleased by the somewhat mysterious trail improvements that include new wood trail railing, rocks lining the trail edge, and new signage just north of the park entrance before the equestrian tunnel under Oak Grove Drive that leads onto LCF trails. The park foreman stated that there was an associated water line break at the site of the improvements over the last weekend. Nonetheless, trail users are thrilled and we certainly hope Pasadena will take no action to remove the new trail signage and much appreciated improvements. 

Steve Messer

On behalf of the ACTRWG Steering Committee

Correction: A previous version of this article said Peretz had contacted the
La Cañada Trails Council. Peretz contacted a representative from the City of La Cañada and does not have knowledge of the trails council's involvement or lack thereof in the trail changes. Patch apologizes for the error.

Lori Paul December 13, 2012 at 05:03 pm
Christmas Elves leaving trail users an early gift, perhaps? Rumor has speculated that the beautiful new fencing, etc. is a County-sponsored Scout project. It will be interesting to find out more. In the meantime, we can all enjoy the new trail improvements between rain storms.
Petrea Burchard December 13, 2012 at 06:16 pm
I hope the city leaves it there. How nice to have improvements generously donated, rather than spending taxpayer money on building unwanted facilities in the park. Can't wait to see it!
Jessica Hamlin (Editor) December 13, 2012 at 07:22 pm
I have updated the article with response from the City of Pasadena, Lori. They are still trying to find out who is responsible for the changes.
Jessica Hamlin (Editor) December 13, 2012 at 07:23 pm
Petrea, I have updated the article with response from the City of Pasadena, who says it needs to be reviewed to see if it complies with the City's Master Plan. We'll see!
Barbara Ellis December 13, 2012 at 08:18 pm
Let's have a recall on that outdated Master Plan. This trail improvement isn't the kind of thing that upsets the people who care about Hahamongna - it's the wide, paved bike+footpath, the large soccer field and expanded car park, and other changes not in keeping with a natural water collection and gentle recreation area.
PeterD December 14, 2012 at 12:25 pm
It will be easier to alter / update / improve the "Master Plan" then to undo the IMPROVEMENTS!!
Thank you mistery donor.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK December 14, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I wish changes could be made to the name of the park. The current name reminds me of a drunk laughing at his Mother.
rebel mamma December 14, 2012 at 01:04 pm
Robert, was that comment about the park's name tongue in cheek? If you are serious though and don't know, the park is named after the Indigenous Native Americans who lived in this area.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK December 14, 2012 at 01:42 pm
It was very tongue in cheek....not making fun of previous inhabitants..but simply thinking the absurdity of what I said might make someone laugh. I knew from the name it was Indian. You are to be commended for your concern.
Michael O'Neal-Petterson December 14, 2012 at 01:59 pm
"We have a constituency who is very interested in those documents and adherence with those."
I'm guessing that constituency are the few people who created those documents. No one else cares.
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 15, 2012 at 04:37 am
""Our goal is to be consistent with those documents," said Peretz. "We have a constituency who is very interested in those documents and adherence with those."
i HATE hose documents. They're WRONG!
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 15, 2012 at 04:40 am
"those documents" are so wrong, flawed, out of date. The public has repeatedly and doggedly questioned so many pages in that plan. We have asked on numerous occasion for revision/update of the 2003 Hahamongna Watershed Park Master Plan. Why are we denied this?
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 15, 2012 at 04:51 am
Oh, and another thing... Why am I and some other interested very very interested people continually dropped from The HWP email list???
Lori Paul December 15, 2012 at 02:18 pm
Good points. Some of us have attended countless meetings to assure the protection of HWP since the late 80s. There have been so many mtgs, workshops & a "charette" (invited persons only!) + maps that one wonders where the historical data went from all that input? Were the comments & ideas from all those costly mtgs with consultants thrown away? If not, where did that data go? The public consistently sent a message Pas won't hear: Keep HWP wild. Retain only passive recreation (no soccer fields, added parking lots, paved roads, or paved street bike raceway). Instead, a Pasadena Council mtg decision at 1am in the morning after the public had left restored soccer fields to the park. The HWP Master Plan contains many inconsistencies (such as "Green" soccer field policy that OK's heavy pesticide use to kill wildlife that will burrow in the grass turf; or, night lights prohibited in the Master Plan, but required by grants for a sports field). Maps are never totally current and even the HWP Advisory Council gets confused. And, yes, some of us fall off mailing lists. Pasadena needs to respect the fact that HWP is a wild watershed & wetland (no place for any sport field & added parking lots) that belongs to all regional visitors, not just Pasadena. Don't mess with the 1st Frisbee golf course in the US, either, or take out acres of trees & habitat. The Master Plan only changes when convenient to certain constituencies. We hope new Pas City Council members will set a better course...
Patrizzi Intergalactica December 16, 2012 at 04:50 pm
Thank you, Lori. Your wisdom and experience in this matter is vital!

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