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Crime Blotter: Three Suspects Spotted Following Burglary

A week in crime in Altadena

Sunday, May 27th 
Between 4:00 PM and 7:30 PM – An attempt grand theft auto occurred in the 1000-blk of Concha St. Vehicle: gray ’96 Honda Accord – damaged ignition. 

Wednesday, May 30th 
2:00 AM – A vehicle vandalism occurred in the 1700-blk of N. Allen Av. 
Between 7:00 PM and 9:00 AM (Thursday) – A vehicle burglary occurred in the 1400-blk of Valencia Av. Suspect(s) entered the vehicle by shattering the driver’s side window. Loss: gray Magellan GPS. 

Thursday, May 31st 
Between 12:00 AM and 7:30 AM – A vehicle burglary occurred in the 3200-blk of Olive St. Suspect(s) entered the vehicle by shattering the driver’s side window. Loss: black ashtray, silver iPod. 

Friday, June 1st 
3:16 AM – A commercial burglary occurred at Ararat Pharmacy, 2611 Washington Blvd. Suspect(s) possibly entered the location by shattering the rear glass door. Loss: unknown. 
Between 9:00 AM and 11:45 AM – A residential burglary occurred in the 2000-blk of Holliston Av. Suspect(s) entered the residence via the rear door. Loss: gold ring w/dragon design, white Singer sewing machine, US currency, black binoculars. 

Saturday, June 2nd 
Between 2:30 PM and 4:00 PM – A residential burglary occurred in the 200-blk of Ventura St. The witness arrived at the location and observed the victim speaking with (3) subjects in the backyard. The subjects observed the witness and quickly left the location and entered a dark green Dodge truck. The victim and the witness entered the residence and observed the bedroom in disarray. Suspects described as (3) male, 20-30 yrs, 507-509, 150-180, brown hair, brown eyes. Suspect vehicle – dark green Dodge truck. Loss: unknown.

JOHN June 09, 2012 at 03:54 PM
CORNER OF MIDLOTHIAN AND MENDOCINO, BURGARLY,RANSACKED, THEY BROKE THE ENTIRE GLASS DOOR AND TOOK FINE STERLING SILVER STILL WRAPPED FROM 35 YEARS AGO...........THEY CAME WHEN THESON AND THE MOTHER LEFT FROM 10AM TO 1PM ON THURSDAY THE 7TH OF JUNE, THE SON CALLED 911............NO ONE WAS INJURED BUT SHOOK UP
Adam June 09, 2012 at 09:06 PM
Are we too pc to include race or skin tone in descriptions anymore?
Dan Abendschein (Editor) June 09, 2012 at 09:43 PM
Adam, our editorial policy is (and always has been) to only to include race in a police description if the description contains enough information that it could be used for people to make a positive identification of someone. So if there were clothing types, other apparel worn by the suspects, or identifying marks, or other extensive information, we would include race, as it could possibly help ID a criminal suspect. However, just giving a general height does not indicate a highly accurate description of a suspect, and for cases like that we avoid using race information, because it is not strictly relevant. If I put the suspects race in the blotter in this case, I don't think it would make anybody any more likely to identify the suspects, because there is not enough information to make it likely that someone would be able to do so.
Adam June 10, 2012 at 09:13 AM
So that would be a yes. If you had enough information for a positive identification, the suspect(s) would be in custody. Why mention sex, age, height, hair color, eye color, or the number of suspects at all? Anyway, I guess we'll just have to waste the sheriffs' time when we see any three men in the vicinity of a green truck.
Liz H. June 10, 2012 at 05:35 PM
I think you have a good point. We know the suspects' height, weight, age, hair color, eye color, and make/model of the vehicle. It's unlikely that the witnesses got close enough to positively identify the eye color as brown, so I'm assuming that the witnesses are just GUESSING that they're brown, which means these suspects are probably not white, which means they are probably Hispanic or black, which means that I can exclude the three white males next door who happen to have brown eyes, brown hair, dark green truck, etc. Does the police report identify the suspects by race? If so, shouldn't Patch's policy be to report the facts (which are arguably relevant in this particular case) instead of omitting the stuff that makes the editors uncomfortable?
Liz H. June 10, 2012 at 05:36 PM
Sorry. I meant that I believe Adam has a good point.
ana olivas June 10, 2012 at 09:38 PM
ON FRIDAY JUN 8TH AT 12:00AM ON LINCOLN AND VenturaAVE.BURGARLY SOMEBODY BROKE INTO OUR CARS.THEY DID NOT HAVE TIME TO TAKE ANYTHING,BECAUSE THE DOGS ALERTED US.
Dan Abendschein (Editor) June 10, 2012 at 10:17 PM
Liz - It is true that the department does release that information. But all journalism is about deciding what is relevant to a story and what isn't. When I write a story about someone winning a scholarship, I don't mention his or her race. When I write a feature about a community volunteer, I don't mention the race. There is literally no other type of story where readers expect me to mention race except a crime story. I think it is a good policy - and here, again, the details are not that specific. 150 to 180 lbs describes a LOT of adult males. So does 5 foot 7 to 5 foot 9, and brown hair and brown eyes. I don't believe that giving the race of the person would make it any more likely that someone would call the police on the right suspects, but probably would make it more likely someone would call the police on the wrong people. I appreciate hearing both yours and Adam's points though - I don't think there is anything wrong with having a discussion about whether this is a good policy or not.
Mike Roberts June 10, 2012 at 11:45 PM
I received this from a local news group Saturday, June 2nd Between 2:30 PM and 4:00 PM – A residential burglary occurred in the 200-blk of Ventura St. The witness arrived at the location and observed the victim speaking with (3) subjects in the backyard. The subjects observed the witness and quickly left the location and entered a dark green Dodge truck. The victim and the witness entered the residence and observed the bedroom in disarray. Suspects described as (3) male, Hispanics, 20-30 yrs, 507-509, 150-180, brown hair, brown eyes. Suspect vehicle – dark green Dodge truck. Loss: unknown. The sheriff's dep't released it with the word Hispanics.....just sayin'.
Adam June 11, 2012 at 02:40 AM
I totally agree with most of your points, but we are not talking about a "crime story" here. This is not a beginning-to-end account of a closed case where arrests have been made and suspects are off the street. Many people consider these crime blotters to be a heads-up for things to look out for, and to that end, the physical description of at-large suspects is entirely relevant. I can understand not wanting to fuel racism or encourage racial profiling or vigilantism, but facts are facts and I don't think it is your role to decide which aspects of reality your readers can and can't handle. The police clearly think this information is relevant. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think they release descriptions at least partly to get help from the community in spotting suspects. If the idea is not to involve the public in their own protection, then you (and the police, really) should just go ahead and remove all reference to (and physical descriptions of) suspects from the blotter. And I fail to see how more descriptive information would increase the probability of someone calling the police on the wrong people.
Dan Abendschein (Editor) June 11, 2012 at 04:03 PM
@Adam - I think having some basic descriptions helps to identify possible suspects, even without their race. I think if you saw three guys of any race who are about the right height and weight and are behaving in such a way that it makes you think they might be up to no good, it would be a good idea to call the Sheriff's Department. By contrast, if you had their race listed, I would say it would be a bad idea to call the cops if you saw any three guys of that race in that height and weight range with a green truck. Basically, while these descriptions can help, the important thing is to call the Sheriff's when someone is behaving in such a way that makes them look like they could be doing something wrong. However, I understand that some of you clearly feel differently, so I think what I can do going forward to satisfy this is to put in an editor's note letting you know our policy as well as a link to where you can subscribe to the direct feed of the Sheriff's Department where the full information is available. I think that way, if there is ever a case where you feel you need to see the race of the suspects, you can look it up, assuming the department lists it.
JuneBuggy June 13, 2012 at 06:49 AM
They (the majority) of perps (in Altadena/Pasadena) are BLACK or HISPANIC. Bunch of losers! The world would be a better place without these SCUM. The landlords/renters of all the people arrested/convicted of burglary and other crimes should be required to pay a PREMIUM, added to their property taxes, to pay for extra police, incarceration, court costs, and other clean-up efforts. I am Hispanic, and I don't mind telling it like it is. There are criminals in every race, but in general, a lot of the criminals are minorities, for one reason or other. I think a lot of tendencies are genetic. Just like the majority of serial killers and child molesters tend to be white men.
JuneBuggy June 13, 2012 at 06:55 AM
They (the majority) of perps (in Altadena/Pasadena) are BLACK or HISPANIC. Bunch of losers! The world would be a better place without these SCUM. The landlords/renters of all the people arrested/convicted of burglary and other crimes should be required to pay a PREMIUM, added to their property taxes, to pay for extra police, incarceration, court costs, and other clean-up efforts. I am a minority, and I don't mind telling it like it is. There are criminals in every race, but in general, a lot of the criminals are minorities, for one reason or other. I think a lot of tendencies are genetic. Just like the majority of serial killers and child molesters tend to be white men.

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