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Californians Petition to Secede from Nation

So far, 6,800 Golden Staters have joined an online drive to leave the union.

In more than 30 states across the nation, signatures are being gathered asking President Obama to allow states to consider seceding from the union, according to press reports over the weekend.

The states, ranging from blue states like New York and New Jersey to some of the reddest of the red, such as North Dakota and Texas, must collect 25,000 signatures within 30 days to receive an official response from the White House. Texas already has more than 25,000, according to reports. 

On Nov. 11, just five days after President Obama was re-elected to the White House, the movement officially came to California and now has 6,832 signatures and growing. 

The petition was started by "Jennifer K." from Yucca Valley. 

However, California's movement has not seen the fervor of some other states, such as New Hampshire, where the creator has launched a Facebook campaign. 

There is a California Secession Facebook page, which recently received a post linking to the online petition after almost one year of inactivity. 

Last year, about a dozen counties in the eastern and southern parts of Southern California, minus Los Angeles, tried to secede from the state to form "Southern California." 

Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone's reasons for secession included "too much money spent on state prisons, too much power for public unions, too many regulations and not enough of a crackdown on illegal immigration," according to the New York Times.

 

What do you think about this secession petition? Do you think it will receive 25,000 signatures by Dec. 11? Tell us in the comments below.

not Carl Peterson lll November 15, 2012 at 07:58 AM
And oh..... anyone who is thinking of signing.......do you really want to be on THAT list that the federal government will have forever? As the social security office oredered 174,000 hollow point bullets, do you want your house to be one of the first the government comes to take away your arms when marshall law comes?
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 08:14 PM
Regarding your comment about the secession petitions... Do you really believe what you're saying, or are your just being mischievous? Do you really think the federal government actually cares which people had a big mad and signed a petition? And no doubt Social Security is going to hand them over to the U.N., who will swoop down with their blue helmets in their black helicopters to eliminate you all? You've got it bad, Buzz. In any event, your concerns are highly misdirected. I presume you have the wit to know that anything you do on the Internet, anything at all, is public and for all intents and purposes forever? Do you know who makes massive use of that information? People who want to sell you something! Do you know what a "tracking cookie" is? Can you guess how many of them are on your computer right now? Do you know how easy it is for anyone with even modest hacking skills to find out not only what you do on the Internet, but the contents of all your files? And you're worried about the petitions and the SSA. Jeez.
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 08:15 PM
is going to hand them over ---> is going to hand over the ammunition
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 08:29 PM
Oh, by the way. Since that proud member of the Redlands Tea Party Patriots, Gregory Brittain, seems to have fled the political discussions on Patch since the election, we are deprived of his infinitude of links that support his version of reality -- such as Redstate, Blaze, Newsmax, etc. I will be happy to stand in for him while he is off doing whatever it is he's doing. Of course, my sources are a little different than his. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/tax-haters-figure-out-theyre-screwed.html
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 09:00 PM
Moving right along with our discussion, Buzz, and trembling in a very paroxysm of fear that I write on an odd-numbered day and therefore may suffer the slings and arrows of your bad nature.... Hippies were not liberals. If they had any political orientation at all, it was far closer to libertarianism. After all, hippies and libertarians are very resistant to any rules and regulations that they don't happen to personally agree with (or make up themselves). By the same token, libertarians are not the same as conservatives. Conservatives on paper talk like libertarians, but when given a chance to govern, they spend a lot of time telling other people how to live their lives. I would agree with you that liberals and conservatives share the same concerns about many issues, It's just the solutions they propose for their concerns are very different.
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 09:20 PM
As for rhetoric, Rachael Maddow, on the night after the election, touched on several of the points I would have mentioned, and stated them far better than I could... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVwXA7sHUlE Here are some others... America is a Christian Country. (No it isn't. It's a secular country that has a lot of Christians in it. Also a lot of Jews, Muslims, Baha'i, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists, and folks who've invented their own variety of religion). Any tax is anathema. (TANSTAAFL. See Robert Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". The President is a communist, fascist, socialist, nazi, muslim who wants to take away all our guns and introduce Sharia Law to the U.S. Pro-choice = baby-killer. (Preposterous, but I won't discuss that issue with anyone who hasn't adopted at least as many children as my wife and I have.) There are many more. Will this do for a start?
not Carl Peterson lll November 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM
W. Korn, Either your humor does not transfer well, or.....? I never stated that anyone from the government is going to get anyone. I was commenting to the mindset of people wanting to sign the petition. Having said that the governments accumulation of information is expanding a hundredfold. The, not secret anymore, data collecting massive buildings in Utah .. I wanted to give you a fair shake in regards to your statements. But your description of the tea party, is in lockstep with the Hysterical main stream media. Go to the tea party home page and read what it stands for. I am not going to write a whole dissertation defending a position when ones statements are are out of the ballpark of fact. So, look no offense intended. But your statements of the tea party are beyond reason.
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM
Darn it! I knew I should have waited until tomorrow.
William Korn November 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM
By the way, MSNBC isn't "mainstream", it's biased liberal just like Fox is biased conservative. That's why I don't go to either when I want to know what's really going on in the world. I know it will cause you to despair of me even more (after all, it's an odd-numbered day), but the best American source for unbiased news is actually NPR. They bend themselves into pretzels to make sure all sides are represented in their reporting.
not Carl Peterson lll November 16, 2012 at 01:44 AM
Wellllllll... It still seems to me your points about the Tea Party and Conservatives are off. The tea party is about fiscal responsibility.How is fiscal responsibility extreme? wow! the world has changed!!! The media did everything possible to distort the image. Almost every single story was false, picked out of time, place, edited videos, etc....I went to one and saw the report later on TV for my oen first hand account as well. The media explodes any single or small group within the movement they don'ty like, and extrapolate that as representing said groups. Your mention of extremes..... More of the media liberal bias. I could go on for 500 pages but...... The Republican party has move away from the right close th the center. And now THAT is extreme.........
not Carl Peterson lll November 16, 2012 at 01:44 AM
HOW ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING INSTEAD .........
William Korn November 16, 2012 at 02:01 AM
Since I'm good natured on all days, I followed your directions and visited some Tea Party sites, see some examples below. My brain has almost stopped hurting. I looked at the Mission Statements, which are very fine. They reminded me of church mission statements and political party platforms. What's more indicative to me of what the sites (or facebook pages) are about are the comments of the people who chime in on various articles. The list of websites recommended by the Tea Party Patriot Facebook page is also very telling, not to mention the fact that several Tea Party sites seem very enamored of that Godly man of dulcet voice and reasonable speech, Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association. Please note I did not read the "distorted reality" of the "mainstream media", but the words of the Tea PArtiers themselves. Please explain where I got off track (or Rachael Maddow, for that matter). http://www.teapac.net/TP_PROD/about-us/agenda-for-freedom/ https://www.facebook.com/teapartypatriots http://www.teapartyexpress.org/5664/twilight-hour-approaching-the-final-battle-to-save-america#more-5664
not Carl Peterson lll November 16, 2012 at 02:44 AM
So, if i am reading correctly, your view of then The Tea Party is to focus on the opinion of some of the people who commented on a tea party web site. I could respond by saying that as i ask for some kind of refference you have to zero in on some comments. Comments that can be linked with any position, anytime at some point. But I won't do that......oh wait I just did. Sorry......But since you took the time to look further, I won't wave it off like that. Rachael Maddow......My dear old mother got a wee bit disturbed when i said I thought RM was liberal slanting the news. I have to say RM comes accross as very honest, calm, factual......She is the opposite of Ed "they oughta rip hid heart out" Shultz". You have to listen close and fact check. She is closer to what I would call the M.S.M. opinion category. I can give better response tomorrow. Ready for global warming yet?
William Korn November 16, 2012 at 06:08 AM
No need to go farther. You're just quibbling now. I said clearly I also looked at who the SITES recommended. Ignore it if you choose. We each clearly won't convince the other. To state my position clearly, I don't care for extremists on the right or the left, but I tend to care for those on the right even less, because I can find more policy points on the left that I agree with, however crudely presented by either side. I'm not ready to argue climate change. From my own reviews of the information available, I BELIEVE that the climate is heating up, and I SUSPECT that human activity has played a part in it, how much of a part I don't know. I think the argument about whether there is global warming or not and who's responsible, if anyone, has become more political than scientific, which is a shame. Politics can't possibly answer this question, and I don't think science can answer it definitively either, because no one has the data to explain the mechanisms for known instances of natural global warming or cooling in the past. Finally, there are enough other known bad effects of burning fossil fuel (smog and acid rain, just to name two) to make the issue of global warming almost secondary. That's why I support the development of energy-producing technologies that don't burn fossil fuels.
not Carl Peterson lll November 16, 2012 at 07:03 AM
William k You seem like a good guy, and a least willing to listen to all sides. i like to think I as well. I missed some of your links at first. When browsing with iphone, as you hit the back button from somewhere it might go to the page you downloaded a day before without refreshing. So, I think we are both good on this. neither is over hyped, and both reasonable......K? Thanks for the info. Global warming....shhhhh... (buzzlightyear quietly said, not wanting to push an issue, but some ungodly reason, he can't stop). Look I will just give you this to chew on whenever you feel like looking further. The hocky stick is using false data: Mr. Mann eliminated the two cooling times of that time period. The data used tree rings until it showed cooling, then switched to ground temperatures, that had its own issues The carbon rise over the last 400,000 years came on average 800 years AFTER THE RISE IN TEMP. tHE "consensud" of scientists was a project of a college student, and her prof. of 10,000 a few thousand came back. They then HAND PICKED 75 THEY LIKED, and decided that, that was their "consensus". Mr. Mann has his hand in most of the peer groups, and government science groups Wikipedia, along with Mr. Mann has altered, ans/ or deleted over 5,000 entries that proved the hocky stick is a lie. Now a whole flood of articles have pooped up on the internet that attempts to rewrite history, and downplay that scientists thought global cooling would happpen in the seventies.
not Carl Peterson lll November 16, 2012 at 07:04 AM
But I am with you....We really do need to watch what we waste
SteveB November 16, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Marty, let's go back to the basics - do you understand/believe the physics underlying what has been commonly referred to as the greenhouse gas effect?
William Korn November 16, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Buzz, you missed my point. I'm not interested in arguing global warming, so you don't need to give me your side of the argument. I gave you my opinion already.
William Korn November 16, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Hear, hear.
not Carl Peterson lll November 17, 2012 at 01:13 AM
William K. I believe I understand
not Carl Peterson lll November 17, 2012 at 01:23 AM
Steve B. "Do you understand/believe.......green house effect?" Answer: Probably not as well as you. Let me ask, theoretically, if what I have stated in the other thread, and in my post above is true, is that enough to make you question the validity of the whole issue?
SteveB November 17, 2012 at 10:21 PM
The point I was getting at is all the items you brought up are irrelevant if you aren't on board with the idea that certain gases, when present in the atmosphere, can have a heat trapping effect. If you believe that the "greenhouse" effect exists, then increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, either by adding more directly, or removing things that take these gases out of the atmosphere (such as forests that take up CO2), will result in warming. Then the discussion is limited to topics such as what is the impact of these changes and what can we do about it. But ... if you don't believe in the heat trapping properties of certain gases, well, then - that should be your argument - you needn't get into debates about whether or not certain studies or surveys are flawed, or not.
not Carl Peterson lll November 18, 2012 at 02:00 AM
Your very first statement can be answered with a simple yes. The very way the data, numbers, charts, and conclusions, are all false. So Steve, I hear what you are asking, and I am saying that in a theoretical form of the discussion...yes.. "Certain gases, when present in the atmosphere, can have a heat trapping effect" But what is done is a lie. When I started commenting here a couple months ago, I stated that I was 85% certain that global warming is a hoax. After reading more, I am now 96% certain. I believe I answered as clearly as I can. How about the one I have asked on friday 5:23 pm All of the influence of information is in control of, and handled by the same people which cross verify each other. It can be found by anyone brave enough to look. And Wikipedia-gate worked with mr. mann a couple years ago to delete, and altered over 5,000 entries that showed the data that mr. mann's hocky stick is false. When I first heard this, I laughed. How could something this big, be that wrong, and so many scientists, and governments...only crazy tin hat people.. So, either we have global warming that will get much worse before it gets better, and an uphill battle with deniers, or we have a crazy plot of a few that has grabbed the heart of billions, and is costing trillions. I have never heard from any warming alarmists on political threads willing to even look for five minutes.......and thats how a hoax goes on.....goodluck
not Carl Peterson lll November 19, 2012 at 06:12 AM
And so ....it goes.... The Republicans and tea party are smeared in the liberal media Global warming hoax goes on..... Because most peoples ego need to continue to be the base of their feelings, instead of having new information that can shine a light. Some....(not this thread) panic at the thought of being wrong, and become desparate to find global warming........and completely bypass the thought of how much better the world is, if Global warming was not doomsday, and the conservative were not evil......and the beat goes on......
not Carl Peterson lll December 04, 2012 at 06:55 AM
William Korn and Steve B. The links have anything you never wanted to know about global warming hoax...a thousand fold....I ask, What if I am right? Absolute proof is just a little bit of reading away. Have you the courage to look?........ http://www.akdart.com/warming.html#103 http://www.akdart.com/warming18.html
SteveB December 04, 2012 at 11:19 PM
Marty, did you look up who tis Andrew K. Dart fellow is? He doesn't even want to fund research for science/NASA to better understand the nature of the issue: http://www.akdart.com/nasa.html He certainly has compiled an impressive list of skeptic links, and he may be a capable Broadcast Television Engineer, but honestly, I can't take anything this fellow says seriously.
not Carl Peterson lll December 05, 2012 at 02:03 AM
Hey Steve, Its been quiete since the election is over, but that's a good thing. I was waisting to much time. Thanks for responding. The akdart link purpose was because of the hundreds of links to all the articles of legitimate sites. I guarantee that reading up on the issue will change any global warming believers mind. I also believe the issue has peaked, and is starting to fall apart now. As for Akdart if he thinks nasa programs are better for private biz, although I would need to be convinced, their is a paradign shift in the trajectory of space developement since 1969. Space companies are popping up now, and one will announce on Thursday of a trip to the moon.The man at nasa that touts global warming is a global warmning alarmists who happens to work at nasa. It is not the view of the agency rank and file. So OK read up on it, or not if you wish. Just for fun, lets promise to come back to Altadena Patch five years from now for the update. Lets say January 1, 2018.
not Carl Peterson lll December 05, 2012 at 07:55 AM
Commercial flight to the moon to be announced on Thursday. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-12/04/private-manned-mission-to-the-moon I had an Idea!!!! 3D fax machines are improving, and will do wonders over the years. The plan.... send up a 3D fax machine to the moon...industrial strength....Then just radio the info for the solor powered 3D fax machine to dig the dirt in feed it to the machine, wich will then make anything needed for building whatever. Maybe in 30 years we can beam the info for the fax machines themselves...and so on....Then eventually the very info for DNA can be radio'd. .....But then perhaps it already happened, and we are the product of some.......
SteveB December 05, 2012 at 09:01 PM
Marty, space transport is one thing, it lends itself to privatization, but the pursuit of scientific knowledge is a bit different. Whatever your current take on the subject is, it would seem to be prudent to do the best we can to understand the earth system - yet the skeptics tend to be the ones who would rather not spend any money at all to find out what's what. Seems like burying one's head in the sand to me.
not Carl Peterson lll December 06, 2012 at 02:19 AM
Steve, I know you probably didn't want to be dragged down the GW debate. As for sticking head in the sand, I believe about 90% of people on both sides of the issue have not done any REAL unbiased inspection of the " facts ", and also fall down party lines. No matter what the issue these days, the battle lines are drawn, the rhetoric is spouted, and we all lose while the powerful take everything.The left calls on the on the one percent, and the right calls on government giveaways, to stop robbing us. But really both sides are more alike than different. We are all being subjected to the manipulation of the big guys, and the media. I spent a lot of time checking each point, and each response point, from both sides. While I applaud, and apreciate your response, I don't think you are willing to neutrally investigate it at this time. That's fine. I know you are a good guy, and more fair than most on either side. I still haven't watched the rest of the YouTube free trade interview you recommended, but I will, To infinity.....and beyond......

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