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New Open Carry Gun Ban Bill Introduced by Portantino

AB 1527 follows up on Portantino's successful legislation from last year banning the open carry of unloaded hand guns by extending the ban to unloaded shotguns and rifles.

A bill introduced by Anthony Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge, would ban rifles, shotguns and other long guns from being openly displayed in public, even while unloaded.

Portantino wrote in a press release that the bill is inspired by guns right protest groups that openly carry long guns in public.  He noted that , the bill he introduced last year barring the open carry of handguns, the groups began to show up instead with automatic rifles and shotguns at rallies.

“Last year, the state made it clear that this type of behavior had no place on Main Street, California,” Portantino wrote. “Unfortunately, the Open Carry community has decided to once again force our hand by escalating their unnecessary activities and entering our communities with AR-15s and other long guns. I had hoped cooler heads would have prevailed and this law wouldn’t be necessary, obviously that hasn’t been the case and I must once again take action to ensure the safety of our communities.”

California Right to Carry, a , was swift to condemn Portantino and his new legislation.

"Portantino is an idiot," wrote Charles Nichols, the president of California Right to Carry. "By banning long guns in public, Portantino makes it impossible for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to conclude that long guns carried in public are an alternative to openly carried handguns. The Federal Courts take a dim view on complete bans of anything and both the US Supreme Court and the California Supreme Court have already held that such bans are unconstitutional."

Portantino noted that his legislation provides "exemptions to enable safe transportation, lawful hunting, and use by law enforcement officials."

He expects the bill to begin hearings in March or April.

Sheepdog February 01, 2012 at 05:37 AM
@ George; How many "bad guys" have you seen outside of a Hollywood western carry a pistol openly in a holster. Criminals carry concealed to avoid police scrutiny. Law abiding citizens who have no reason to hide their activities open carry. Although I would tend to agree that carrying an unloaded gun is stupid, I will carry openly again (in South Pasadena, like I have before, and this time loaded) when Charles Nichols wins his injunction.
Charles E. Nichols February 01, 2012 at 05:44 AM
Read the complaint in my lawsuit. When you are competent to debate the content, come back then. Feel free to blow as much smoke as you like until then. This is my last response to you. http://CaliforniaRightToCarry.org
Jerry A February 01, 2012 at 05:45 AM
Patrick, Nimby Pimp. you two and a few other who don't know your rights are. The only ones bringing up armed citizens patrolling the streets are you. I'm referring to when a citizen sees a crime being committed intervene if your physically capable if it means that someone will be harmed if you don't or the criminal will be able to flee if you don't intervene. About fifteen years ago in Pasadena I saw a felony being committed next door to my business. If I just dropped a dime they would have gotten away and someone else would become a victim down the road in the future. I dropped a dime, armed myself and prevented the three felons from fleeing until P.P.D. showed up 10 minutes later. I never had to point my weapon, just showed them I was armed. Over the years the liberal State Legislature has passed many pantywaist laws. If someone physically attacks you, your suppose to run away. Only if you can't run away are you allowed to defend yourself. The police go further, they tell you if someone ask for your wallet or purse to give it to them ! Who are the police working for, the criminals ? We have problems here in California. A failing state that is completely out of step with the other 49 states in the Union.
mark h. February 01, 2012 at 05:52 AM
Nah, Chuck. You just won't answer. You can't answer because you don't have an answer. You pontificate and insult. All I have done is ask you to provide a source for your claims. One that can be checked. You didn't. Says a lot.
Susan R February 01, 2012 at 05:57 AM
Charles you have given a good education here. Something that is above a lot of people. But people need do their own research because no matter what you say they will never agree unless they do their own research. There is a lot of ignorance. And, some people want to stay ignorant.
Sheepdog February 01, 2012 at 06:01 AM
It's because when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
Nimby pimp February 01, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Jerry A. - Los Angeles has enjoyed the lowest violent crime rate in more that four decades. The days of Bernie Goetz, Charles Bronson and Yosemite Sam have passed. Leave public safety to the professionals. We don't need your protection.
Jerry A February 01, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Nimby claims <"Los Angeles has enjoyed the lowest violent crime rate in more that four decades."> Lower crime per-capita but not less crime. But why is that ? The Three Strikes Laws !!! Most of the criminals are all ready behind bars. There are more criminals incarcerated than any time in history. Four decades ago there were less than a dozen state prisons in California. Today there are over thirty state prisons and they are overflowing. Also many crimes in the Latino immigrant communities go unreported. Four decades ago there was no such thing as a "home invasion" crime. It just didn't happen. Four decades ago the word "drive bye" didn't exist. Do you want to compare how many gangs and gang members there were four decades ago compared to today ? I didn't think so.
Nimby pimp February 01, 2012 at 08:42 PM
Jerry A - Let me try to understand what you are laying down here. a) The crime statistics are wrong; b) There is more crime, much of which is committed by Latinos who have invented new and heinous ways of making you feel afraid; c) There are a lot of criminals and the prisons are overflowing, ready to burst; d) We need Jerry and his six-shooter to protect us! Listen Jer, I know guns are fun. But Cialis works pretty darned well.
Jerry A February 01, 2012 at 09:32 PM
The crime stats are misleading. There are actual crimes that are committed and there are crime rate index statistics that are used by politicians and law enforcement officials to cover their butts.In many cases law enforcement don't even list all the crimes committed in their jurisdiction for political reasons. Please explain this, Since the mid 1970's, California's prison population went from about 20,000 to over 160,000 in 2006. That's an increase of over 750%. I can assure you that the states population hasn't increased 750 %. But to make it simpler for you, when criminals are locked up, they aren't on the streets committing crimes. In 1960 there were 616 murders committed in California, 2010 there were 1,809 Do you want to talk violent crimes ? 1960 = 37,558 ; 1970 = 94.741 ; 2010 = 164,133 Would you like me to show you how many murders were being committed or other violent crimes just before the Republicans Three Strike Laws was passed ? It's my pleasure because I know you liberals despise the Three Strike law. 1993 = 336,381 violent crimes and 4,096 murders were committed in California. Now the subject isn't about some socialist mayor standing on the steps of L.A. City Hall lying to the people how low crime is, it's about a liberal legislature introducing unconstitutional legislation.
Susan R February 02, 2012 at 03:53 PM
I bet that poor girl that was killed from Lincoln Heights wish she would have been carrying a loaded gun to protect herself. She may have lived.
John Carter February 03, 2012 at 07:11 AM
Wow pretty crazy to see people so against scary guns that they are willing to give up their own constitutional rights to protect their own homes and families. It's so strange to me that there are actually men that are this passive in our society. I can just imagine these guys sitting there crying like women as their wives are raped in front of them. Sorry, I'm not going to stand idly by like a sissy while my family is assaulted. You guys can be victims all you want. I choose to arm myself. Have fun dialing 911 and waiting 10 minutes while the rapist finishes and kills you both. I'd rather be Yosemite Sam any day than Prissy the Punk.
Nimby pimp February 03, 2012 at 03:52 PM
A gun don't make you a man, John. Didn't your daddy teach you that?
John Carter February 03, 2012 at 04:02 PM
No self reliability does Nimby Pimp. I'm sure you're happy relying on the world to save you and take care of you but a real man takes his families safety and welfare into his own hands. A real man has an S on his chest to his kids. When your kids and wife look at you all they see is a weakling who will hide and call 911 when they are being assaulted. Sad that there are men in the world such as yourself that rely on others to take care of them. I'm sure you're on some kind of government assistance as well no doubt. You need daddy Sam to take care of you.
John Carter February 03, 2012 at 04:06 PM
Nimby Pimp: "hello 911...There's a scary man in my house and he's pistol whipped me and he's now hurting my kids." 911 Operator: "don't worry sir, a real man is on the way. Just keep hiding and comply with whatever he wants. I'm sure you're used to that."
Nimby pimp February 03, 2012 at 04:23 PM
John, It must be awful to be so darned afraid.
Revvell February 03, 2012 at 04:40 PM
It must be awful to be so ignorant.
Sheepdog February 03, 2012 at 04:45 PM
You're wrong Patrick. Godwin's law only covers the increasing probability of a Nazi or Hitler reference as a comment thread grows. Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis. The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate. It's not about winning or losing, just probability. And unfortunuately Lonnie is correct, it is exactly how Hitler's Nazi party gained a foothold with so little resistance - they confiscated guns from the populace. Therefore, Lonnie has not violated Godwin's Law as it applies to gun control as a practice of a totalitarian regime.
Nimby pimp February 03, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Hey Barney Fife. Boo!
Marvion February 04, 2012 at 07:38 AM
o' my gwad, u all jest got 'anomy anonymously hacked'! .. my turn
Susan R February 05, 2012 at 03:40 PM
When you have some protection there is no need to be afraid.
Rob February 11, 2012 at 08:53 PM
To those of you 'sheep' that don't like guns etc. Please Come spend a day here in STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA. Any day of the week doesn't matter, even Sunday afternoons. I promise it will be a mind changing event for you!
Susan R February 12, 2012 at 05:29 AM
Rob, can you provide more info about that?
Sheepdog February 12, 2012 at 08:12 AM
For those of you who call those of us who choose a firearm as the most reasonable means of self-defense crazy, here's a little wake up call for you. Don't mean to "burst your bubble", but bad guys are everywhere; including South Pasadena. http://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/popping-the-bubble/
jayres February 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM
All of you anti-gun advocates who think taking guns away from responsible gun owners will keep us safer, to protect us from ourselves, you are to blame for the banning of frisbees and footballs on LA county beaches. Every time you mocked gun owners when they made the slippery slope argument, I blame you that my child can no longer dig a hole in the sand that exceeds 18 inches. No paddleball, no soccer, no throwing or rolling of any objects other than a volleyball or beachball. People used to look up to California, but this state is becoming a national joke. Thank You Liberals!
Marcus February 12, 2012 at 06:22 PM
I'm not against gun ownership since hunting seems to be a popular sport and defending your home is such a key part of some citizens lives. But keep it at home. Do you really need to bring your AR15 to Ralph's? Are we really still in danger of being invaded by the English King again? Personally, our Police force do a tough job, but they are trained to handle violent situations. I'd rely on them any day over mine or any neighbors experience with a weapon. Btw: Does the pro-gun lobby want to expand guns in public in California? Everywhere? In bars? In churches? In schools? Colleges? Political rallies? The courts? In banks? Airports? ....On a plane? Keep it in the home. Not in public thanks. I fear more for the crazy road rage driver on the freeway than someone robbing me just outside of Sworks.
RSanders July 20, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, because I AGREE with the point you are making, but as a manner of thinking please remember always to phrase constitutional issues correctly. - The "Bill of Rights" is a 'nickname' for the first 10 Amendments. - Neither the Constitution nor the "Bill of Rights" Amendments "gives good citizens the RIGHT to..." x, y, or z. - The Constitution and all Amendments very specifically RECOGNIZE and codify NATURAL RIGHTS that you already have. i.e. you ALREADY HAVE the NATURAL RIGHT to own, carry, and use whatever items or means you deem necessary to defend your person and property, on your own private or any public location not otherwise restricted due to a superior and correctly codified legal interest of the state. The 2nd Amendment simply RECOGNIZES that this right of all citizens, which already exists, applies specifically to prevent the Federal Government or any subject State or municipality from restricting Arms (weapons) that you may decide to keep and bear for that or any other legal purpose. Some argue that this applied to larger 'arms' such as President George Washington's home protection cannons and other artillery used by various founding fathers. Others get a bit semantic and argue it applies only to any 'armament' that you can personally 'carry'.
Marcus July 20, 2012 at 11:42 PM
Which law was introduced to tell us what to eat? And there's me thinking this latest congress was way too interested in overturning the new healthcare law to do anything else? Which other rights were overturned? Right to Free speech? right to vote? Right to jury trial? or is it that you just didn't vote for the incumbant President?
Marcus July 20, 2012 at 11:48 PM
I think Jerry A has a right to defend his home and family. But I also think that NOT every gun owner is a good shot. i.e. just because you own a gun doesn't mean you will win in a firefight. I'd rather put my money on 911 bringing in the Pros. And if there was a gun fight in the street, I'd hope that it was Navy Seal training behind that weapon coming to my rescue rather than my neighbor who practiced at the range once a month.
Michael Pedersen August 29, 2012 at 06:05 AM
Um that happens here only the police do the killing in the bar. A former classmate of mine was breaking up a fight and got shot by the cop who was fighting with another patron. The cop is on trial for murder. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/man-shot-and-killed-at-murrieta-bar.html

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